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We're honored to be joined by Craig J stone of the Washington State Department of transportation Over the first year of operations of the state route 167 hot lanes pilot project.
Craig is director of the Washington State DOT located in Seattle. All statewide tolling efforts which include Washington state bridge tolling as well as the evaluation of potential new express toll lain systems
and new -- lane systems and new projects. More than 25 years and spend five years with national consulting engineering firms. His past experience serve as project director traffic system design and operations, freeway operations.
And long range highway system planning for the central [ Indiscernible ] Region. Masters of science in several engineering and he is a licensed professional engineer in Washington state.
Also joining us is JESSIE Yung who works in my office.
For the federal highway Office of Transportation Management in Washington. Miss Yung is responsible for providing guidance and direction in advancing national highway traffic operations
and management systems including active applications and HOV and HOT lanes.
Bachelor and masters of science at college park. She is a registered profession aleck near in Maryland on HOV systems and freeway operations.
But now, I'm honored to throw it over to Craig stone of Washington State DOT.
This is Craig. I would just say welcome to Seattle if you could imagine a nice blue sunny sky right now. We're having a wonderful day. It's my pleasure to present to you our first year of operations of the state route 167 hot lane.
It's a pilot project and it basically summarizes our first year of operations. I want to start off with a little bit of context for tolling in the state of Washington.
We have one facility [ Indiscernible ] Bridge that opened in 2007 and the hot lanes opened in 2008. Basically been a generation here in the state since we've had toll lane. So this is a new endeavor in the standpoint of our users
and understanding how toll lane then works. I also wanted to give you context for what we call moving Washington. Secretary Palilia Hammond is using this as her messages on how we look at mobility
and that's a three part balanced approach here. We do have major projects that are going on across the state where we are adding lanes, new bridges and we were fortunate that in 2003
and 2005 legislative sessions have given us a gas tax that has put that bonded program forward. We also have operating roadways efficiently, which is the idea of how we operate facilities, how do we bring ITS?
How do we bring the idea of congestion [ Indiscernible ] Gets in to the traffic management and some of that European speed control standpoint.
That's where we're going to be focusing today. Managing demand and providing choices. Working with demand management and the van pool programs. Working with our partners in transit
and how they then use HOV lanes as well as the hot lanes as they provide their service. That's the framework that we come in to. As we mentioned earlier it has been a while since we had a toll lane here.
Everyone still recalls that you build bridges and you pay for them with tolls.
The concept of bringing -- better performance out of using tolling is really -- I almost would say -- coin it as the show me.
People do not trust that statement but they are starting to see how it actually worked. People understand you build infrastructure with tolls.
With that, we have embarked and moved forward. I would say that we were -- we've been very well supported by our legislature.
In fact, in twilight session, they -- 2008 session they put a toll policy bill and the gov non-signed that that put in place the framework [ Indiscernible ] State of Washington to move forward.
I think some other states and jurisdictions may want to think about that. The legislature picks the routes that can be tolled.
They put basically the framework around that so they have the authority.
Our state transportation commissions who we do not report to anymore.
We used to but now we report to the governor. 20 to 40 year plan out but they also set the tariffs on our W state ferries and the tolerate setting body.
The department, we propose and then with authority, build and operate the toll systems that we have here.
Look in to the future too.
Interesting that [ Indiscernible ] Bridge was our facility to open up. It was put together in the design-build project.
Very successful. A lot of opposition to it early. But once we opened the facility up, they are saving 30 to 40 minutes in their compute. 85% of the morning commutes are using are good to go tags. The transponders.
So we've gotten high penetration, much higher than anyone had anticipated. I'll come back to that because it will relate to the 167 story. As we get out,
we use basically the [ Indiscernible ] Back office functions to build off of to move forward with the 167 hot lanes. The hot lanes themselves is 11-miles of corridor that is south of Seattle up to the upper left down to the bottom left.
It goes through probably the 4th and 6th warehouse distribution centers. We have a lot of goods that come out of this area. It's a lot of freight but a six lane facility that has an HOV lane in it.
We looked at facilities through the [ Indiscernible ] Sound area to consider, could we put forward a test or pilot and we looked at 280-miles of our HOV system and decided this corridor offered a good opportunity. We had spare capacity.
We could then go ahead and put the hot lanes in place or changing the HOV designation off of the 2 plus. That was very important.
I wanted to test this, that we didn't have a lot of variables changing all at the same time. We kept the 2 plus HOV designation. We kept the hours of operations. 5:00 a.m. to 7 p.m.
In the evening hours they are open to all. So with that, we went forward. We also were good partners with federal highways where we received federal pricing grants of 5.1 million.
In the 2005 legislature with the gas tax that provide us the remaining money for this project. We looked at the configuration here, the upper picture shows you the prior configuration where we had continue access to the HOV.
It was two plus also be transit in those lanes. In the bottom lanes begin to show that we basically took one foot from each of the adjacent lanes and create add two foot buffer and put the dual striping down.
You start seeing that configuration there.
Also then, we looked at signing all the elements there. In a lot of ways looked at the nation -- what they're doing in I15, watching what Minnesota was doing at the time
and building off of their experiences as they move forward with this. One of the key aspects that makes Washington state a little bit unique is it's a dynamic system with the allege rate rhythms.
That was partly different than the California models.
But also the access points. SR91 has basically a shoot that you come in to it and you come out on the other end. You have the sandals and the buffer there.
My understanding is that I394 is a barrier as well as striping with some entrance points.
We had five access points northbound three southbound in addition to the entrance exit points. We then had lots of points for these one-third of a mile sections where traffic would then be able to have the opportunity to see a sign,
see the price, make a choice, decide whether they want to move in to that lane.
Once they're passed that area they go through the toll zone [ Indiscernible ] That's also where they exit the lane.
Setting up that weave situation.
Unlike what call trance does in southern California -- HOV with cross over points. This was brand new to Washington drivers.
I'll talk about a little bit later this is one of the bigger challenges we've had with this program is the striping as opposed to electronics and acceptance of the system. How does it work?
We have the good to go tags. These are the basically [ Indiscernible ] Protocol and being able to have that. We use that because that's what was already in place for [ Indiscernible ] Bridge. We had that saturation.
We had that out there for a system.
We also then have this ASTMV6 protocol but basically on the west coast or I should say national sea vision to use that tag we want to have dual readers and have both of them out there.
We're not necessarily marketing those at this point but they are available and can be used as we go forward.
Then you have the toll began tries with the readers. Then also on those GANTRIs the enforcement beacon that's in place. We'll talk about more why there's two readers when there's two hot [ Indiscernible ] There. In the hot lane.
We've been using that as our algorithm. We have the ability to look at speed and volume but we have not used that in the selection process of the pricing comes forward. It's a [ Indiscernible ] Five minute average
and is looking at the change in volume and the rate of change in the volume speed as to how it looks for what price point to set. Looking at how it works lane discrimination. Basically our contractor is coming in
and ETC was the ones that performed the work for us out in the system here in integration. Looking at a requirements to not have false read and GP lanes.
We had these 11-foot lanes decided to put the second antenna out over the GP lane.
Depending on the strength of the signal you can decide whether that vehicle is in the hot lane or the GP lane next to it. I will say that this created some doubts by some citizens.
We knew that you were planning on putting more lanes out here to toll because we can see that you have the [ Indiscernible ] Out here so there's a wall of trust we had to work through.
Not a lot of people but there's been some that picked up that as our agenda.
How does the system work in it's design in we created this two foot buffer. We did not rebuild any of the shoulders. We didn't want to go into that cost to doing this.
We have a desire here in Washington State to put four foot buffers on some of our other corridors.
But here again, just because of practicality we went with the two foot. You also can then see the loops that are there that do part of the reads along with the antennas overhead.
How does it work? You can kind of see the antennas with roadside where we had structures over the facility. We tried to use them, but in most cases we actually put in the began try locations.
From enforcement standpoint we use the beacons.
You get the read, it's a valid tag, go forward with this. The way that we set this up, because we did not want to change the HOV operations here, you can still be a 2 plus HOV and not have a tag and use this facility.
So it's only when you are in SOV mode you actually have to have a tag to use that. Some others are going to say no everybody has to be tagged to be in the facility.
You start thinking about your enforcement and how you do that.
Basically, the on the ground Washington state patrol doing enforcement is basically using the white light to be able to say was that person, did they have a valid tag?
If the light comes on they -- then they've got to do the next step which is look at the vehicle and say do I see multiple persons in that vehicle or not.
So from that standpoint pretty low tech. That was how we were enforcing the HOV to start with.
I will say that Washington state we have a pretty high compliance rate with the HOVs to start with.
Everyone with this program, we felt that with additional patrols out there we had very high compliance with the system. Maybe it's just the northwest culture out here.
We also have one of the highest seat belt uses as you go down -- wait for the walk signals and in the lanes of traffic is not there.
So we're pretty compliant up here so that's been a real benefit to us.
How does it work? Roadside cabinets at each location. There's a field cabinet with power supply coming in. You have the UPS there in case there's any power outages. You have lane control and readers.
Has gone to a redundant lane controllers.
If one goes out, we have redundancy in the system.
That's given us reliability as we go.
From the standpoint, we do daily downloads at midnight back to our back office for what was basically the tolerate and those accounts data. We upload twice a day from the back office basically status of the tags.
Basically people understand. Do they have enough money on their tags to allow a legal passage through the corridor.
So from the standpoint of performance measures, I'll go back to what our legislature put forward in 2005. These are what were required to measure and report on. So we are required to do annual reports.
Part of what I'm presenting today is from the first annual report. The goals we're looking at freeway efficiency and how they can improve freeway safety.
They want us to evaluate the effectiveness of the transit and 07 rations. Look -- operations. Ability to finance improvements
and transportation services through tolls as well as looking at impact tonight highway users for a sense of general purpose. What you don't see here is the general requirement that this system to operate in the black
and so that's been an interesting non-written element here. We've had a couple of offenders who have inquired. We're working with them.
Were forecasted through our consultant that in the first four years we'll be able to go from a deficit to having surplus in operations here. But at the time that work was done,
that was prior to the gas prices going on prior to the economy going off.
In this first year of operations we brought in about 350,000 or so in revenue and our costs have been probably in the range of four times that much.
So this is grading a little bit of a policy conversation that we're anticipating which is going to be for a dollar invested, what's your return?
So we're looking at an economic investment dollar invested in to a transit in return, dollar invested in to additional lane capacity in return, what is the best return on dollar? We anticipate though that over time,
again our goal here is to get ourselves in to a recovery cost and operations. There's a lot that goes in to that for those in the tolling world. You'll know that a lot of times the industry talks about cost per transaction.
There's huge economies of scale that happens in there.
So just to think about that, we have 40,000 transactions a day that happen in [ Indiscernible ] Bridge. We're having about 1800 transactions happening.
Doing all that back office and distribute them out to those casts.
We're bringing on 115,000 transaction bridge that will change the whole equation about how we're distributing costs.
We fully expect that our cost also go down dramatically once we get a new back office get up how we can redistribute those costs back out.
The other thing we're doing is providing enforcement.
They are great partners with us in all aspects. They have been working with the media, public education.
We're paying them the overtime situation out here. We would like to get away from the overtime and get direct billing costs. We're covering some of our traffic management staff. I mentioned the back office recovering.
We also increased response truck and staff in the corridor and to help balance we're doing instant responses to give a quality trip. As well as we've invested in the communications staff to work with the public and the users.
Highlightings after one year.
We're feeling pretty good about these and they are showing measures of success. That in the general purpose lanes we see speeds increase 10%. During that same time our volumes have increased the 3 to 4%.
The economy has been dropping 1 to 3% that corridor is not seeing that drop in traffic. Then the hot lanes themselves we've seen speeds increase 7 to 8% while volumes have increased 1 to 3%. If you are looking at speed
and volume used across this corridor we're getting a better usage. We're meeting some of those goals that legislature has put out for us.
HOV operations here as well as across the nation, looking at a standard of 45-miles an hour 99% of the time. So again we're able to guarantee that reliable trip, which is a very important part of this.
We've had 30,000 good to go drivers.
Vehicles out there where they have the tags. People have used them.
Some of these are people from the [ Indiscernible ] Bridge have come up and used this occasionally. We have come down to how many are using it on a daily basis.
If we have 1800 users a day on the corridor, you can see that there's a smaller proportion. We also find that the proponents of people are using it 2 to 3 times a week. They're not using it every day type of thing.
They're making choices. That's part of the process, as we look at it.
Going on the travel times, the corridor, it's interesting here and if you think back to the map it's 11-miles northbound because that's how many miles we had. The northbound is more desirable it's a longer route.
You get more travel time savings and you basically bring yourself up to interstate 405 that leads you further up our corridor towards bell view, Washington.
Where you are starting to see the standpoint of 8 minutes of travel time savings on a peak hour basis for about a dollar. So for return of investment they're getting a pretty good return.
Southbound you are seeing a 4 minute time travel savings.
Where we go from three lanes and we drop down to two lanes because of the configuration works and now the hot lane ends. We'll talk a bit later about this. We have constraints on both ends.
We knew we would have constraints on both ends but within the corridor itself, we're feeling pretty good about the operation numbers.
Traffic volumes. There are some fluctuations with ADT. But you can see over time, looking at the before chart compared to the after chart,
you might see we have volumes that have dropped but we have picked back up very close to previous years volume.
If people are really astute they'll look at our December volumes and say what happened here? They shut down the city for two weeks while we had a big snowstorm and hot lanes did not work. A lot of people did not use them.
We also had the secretary of transportation say go use them. December was a non-data month for us at that point.
Average daily trips has increased. These aren't huge numbers but we're still seeing continual increases as we.gov this is a point where we were very cautious as how we marketed the hot lanes.
We -- on [ Indiscernible ] Bridge on 2007 we wanted 50% of our trips to use a transponder because we didn't want to have cueing at the cash collection site. That was a very aggressive approach.
Well we basically opened up 60% of the people have transponders and now our transponders are very high use. So we are actually concerned, we heavily marketed the hot lands we had so much usage on day one our tolerates would be high.
[ Indiscernible ] Trying to manage that. We did a lower key talking about how you use the facility, getting out without a lot of marketing.
We had a plan, a slower launch you might say.
We're continuing to see some growth but we made a conscious effort not to heavily market the corridor when we started off. It was a pilot.
We wanted to see some success and move forward with it.
Another chart that we have people are very familiar with speed volume or the boom range chart. What this is showing here is basically between the three lanes that we have, the green dots if you can see them is the hot lane usage.
You can see again, we're staying way above the break down point so that speed flowchart in saying up in the 60 to 70s. It's posted at 60. I'll sigh at this pend -- say at this point we get from people. It's the left lane.
Dual striping. I'm not supposed to cross the dual lane. Those people in front are going so slow that I can't get around them.
This whole issue of passing opportunities of a single hot land. I know there's a lot of conversation that go in to a dual hot lane to give people opportunity. You can see some of the speeds here.
You can see the speeds I believe would be -- the pink here which is the inside lane to it are staying higher.
You can see the outside lanes where you see some of the break down that happens as you go forward. But again, this is real data looking at kind of a good point in the corridor. Our tolerates, I mentioned before -- toll rates.
Working with us and looking at our traffic and revenue as well as looking at toll rates. Maximum of $9. Some of the commissions a little more free market individuals say if somebody wants to pay $38 they ought to be able to pay $38.
We don't want to be on the front page of pick your favorite newspaper that would say, the price is going to be whatever.
They are going to go for the highest number. We got a little bit reaction to the $9 but not a lot in public perception. We look at what the maximum toll rate had been.
We hit 9-dollar as couple of times in the first couple of months of operations but everyone those numbers were very small. You can also see as people learn how to use the system kind of that balance what we're getting to
and you can even see this last April here around 275, as I mentioned earlier about a dollar during the peak hours has been what the maximum has been. People are making choices as they go forward.
We set the algorithms -- it's all about traffic performance.
In fact, you see a point here in September of 2008, basically as we review the first summer of operations, I connected the team to -- directed the team to free up the [ Indiscernible ] To increase traffic and get better utilization of it.
You can see that as it comes forward here.
You can see the revenue and the generally running about 27 to 30,000 a month in revenue that we brought in for this.
Safety. We all like multiple years of data but for our first year of operations that is the best information that we have. I know there's lots of conversations.
I know there's been a number of studies done especially in the California discussion between is it bet tore have a barrier with a gap or continuous access and what is the best situation for safety?
So far what we've seen is we actually have a drop in the accidents that are in the corridor, but this is only for that period of time since we opened so the jury is still out on that.
It did seem to resonate though with some of the folks we would talk to continuous HOV lane. The driver is always looking for one to pop in and pop out at any moment in time. There was a perceived safety -- coming in
and coming out of the cross over location. We also have not seen a big concern about the cross over location as we've looked at the corridor. But again, we need to continue to look at that.
Hot lane enforcement, Washington state patrol.
You can see the number of traffic stops and citations.
The state patrol officer has three choices when they are out there enforcing this facility.
All of them are $124 ticket. One would be a violation of a core pool definition -- car pool.
That's the one they give out the most. If you are in there and your car pool. No problem.
You don't have to have a transponder.
But if you are in there as a single occupant and you do not have a tag on your windshield.
It's easy to give a citation. It's easy for them to continue that and that's what they do in other facilities we have.
When it gets to district court that helps stand up with that too. There is the idea of refusal to pay the toll.
Toll avoidance which is $124 fee.
That's harder for them to control.
When wafers set this system up, we got from our vendors basically a wand. Like you can go to the transponder and do a read on that.
We were given back some of those by the state patrol. Have the technology and you actually do that recognition of a tag was read and the deduction was made from the tag.
The second most frequent violation is a failure to obey a traffic control device. That's the formal title. What it means is it's illegal to cross the double white stripes.
It's brand new to Washington driver what that means on the hot lane. So people would say okay. They're going to drive in and drive out of that hot lane. We're evaluating that.
State patrol is looking at that.
As my chair, I'm not concerned necessarily about the violation we have. I frequently do that anecdotal, to see how it's going. I do hear from individuals saying that driver up there crossed that double white line.
They ought to get a tick. So we have people coming back with that. That question of enforcement, but the state patrol is there as they look at the system.
We also have a her row program that's -- hero program on HOV violators. We kept that in the corridor. You can see it in the graphic here. The calls have gone down in the core. To I don't know if people are behaving for traffic
or more difficult to tell if someone was violating or not because of the hot lane operations.
We always get questions over low income, equity, the environmental Justice questions. We've been doing environmental Justice work with other facilities we have.
This you might say is statistically doesn't mean a lot. It's a great slide to show individuals and it's worked very well in our public relations standpoint.
Allow me -- are in the corridor as compare to the chevrons and fords. And how many were driving down the road with gun racks. That worked out very well.
The standpoint of interesting that at least we've done focus grouped before. We've done focus grouped afternoon ward. Some of the observations, it's fascinating to me working this area.
The low income individuals do not complain about the price necessarily. Their ability to afford it or not. They want the choice because they have a commitment, things that they need to do.
It tends to be the higher income people that are very concerned that it is not equitable for the low income people.
I've seen this other corridors around It's an interesting human dynamic.
More work needs to be done in this area. Looking at some of our survey information that we have, 75% of the drivers are in the 35 to 64 year age. 60% of the drivers are in this 50,000 to 25,000-dollar income range.
Give you milestone there. Geographic patterns.
We looked at zip codes. If you remember where the corridor is, the kind of the middle there. It's not too surprising but residential areas from the south that drive to employment through the north are the ones that use the system.
We've charted this out to see the density of uses of toll trips to the zip code. So the anecdotal comments that we get, people who live towards the south of this corridor love the corridor.
They drive maybe 30 to 40-miles to a particular location for their employment.
They say this is saving them 10 minutes a day. They love it. When rough you going to extend this? Those are our biggest a advocates.
The individuals that don't like this facility are the ones who are within the corridor that said I used to get on this interchange and get an HOV and get off at the next interchange.
They send to be like two down so the idea of a short trip being able to wave own and wait for the access point and the next access point to get back out. They don't like it because they feel restricted because of the dual white stripe.
The longer trip, I like this and can I get more of this? It comes down to your operational goals.
What are you trying to accommodate? Kind of that question, should a shorter trip be necessarily on the limited access facility or is that better for an arterial system or are you encouraging longer trips.
These are some policy things that people should consider.
Issue resolutions. Things that we worked on.
Access locations. As I mentioned earlier the white stripes that we put down. We took one of the access places and lengthened it to give better in and out of that.
It may be hard tore describe but we have an access point between each of the interchanges up and down the corridor and the one location was on a horizontal curve with basically the two ramps. The on ramp
and the exit ramps were almost touching each other. We didn't have enough room to have an access point in there and in whole if you take the cost of our program -- hardware, striping everything.
So you kind of looked at what's the best locations. We get the most complaints because there's not one access point there. That is also another one we're getting to. I wanted access and you restricted me in this location T.
double white lines is the biggest area we have. Education as we go forward. Number three. While we like the tags that we have,
the way to save that I can use the facility one day as an HOV when I have multiple people in my carver sis when I'm in SOV comes about when you put the sticker tag on your windshield. You cannot remove it and the way our system works.
So [ Indiscernible ] Has a shield with -- over the tag disables it.
It's really chunky. We are much looking forward to the new transponders coming out. Talking about switchable tags to use that. That's looking towards if shields have got us by. Helped us test the technology.
It's not my place to say in the future let's go do that. A green yellow color because the state patrol have something really bright that we can see out there.
We had complaint from our previous customers they got their transponders for free. Why do they have to pay for this shield. There's been a lot of controversy over this shield application. Education and outreach.
We continue to do more marketing.
Transit operators. I describe the one location where we did not have a cross over. That was one location where the transit service wants to be able to cross over. We worked with metro [ Indiscernible ] Transit provider
and [ Indiscernible ] In advance of this basically had buy in to them but as soon as the operations went in to effect we had a bus driver telling all his passengers how stupid this program was because they couldn't cross over at that
location. That's been since corrected as far as approach. But there's One-Stop that they have to basically readjust their transit service plan to accommodate this.
So that's something that I would just say in the future to just watch for.
Next steps. We'll be continuing to monitor this and publish our reports every six months. That's our cycle. We have an extense of the hod line -- extension of the hot lanes.
To extend it down in to further next county but I believe it's probably a five mile extension so the 8-mile will turn out to be 13-mile extension as we go forward with that. Kind of thinking in summary.
We have a lot of anecdotal support for the system. Why sent this system being extended other places? People who use the system really like the system.
We also have people who also do not use the system who don't necessarily understand the system and wonder why -- how's it work? You have to keep the education moving forward.
We're going to be doing more emphasis patrols in the fall, back to school ideas when we work with our state patrol on that.
One of our goals is to be able to move this from a pilot standpoint over to a standard operating procedure as we look forward to that. We are also studying right now the ability to look at all of our 280-mile HOV lanes in this region.
Should we be looking at more hot lanes -- also looking to the north of here 30-miles of 405 looking at dual express toll lanes and effectively tie in with this corridor. The legislature has given us direction to study that.
We're being pretty aggressive on how we're looking at the pilot and how it will address the rest of the system.
So those are probably the highlights I would have. We have for you a couple of our websites and on those websites you can get copies of our reports that we have in tracking of the system here as we move forward.
With that, I think we're opening and turning it back to our facilitators.
Great. Thank you so much Craig. At this time I'll ask Jesse to field some of the questions that came in to the chat box while you were speaking.
We have a lot of questions. I tried to divide in to different categories. I'm going to pull from each category.
The first one is more in the overall general question Craig. The question is, how tightly does the hot lane management integrate with other ITS or other [ Indiscernible ] Operations?
Very closely. It's interesting.
The toll operation side of it goes back toward [ Indiscernible ] Bridge for the actual collection of the account. Things of that nature T. highway operations goes to traffic management center in Seattle area
and is tied in with the ramp metering system here. As well as the overall [ Indiscernible ] Sound systems that we have.
So we staff up there traffic management center folks that have additional staff look at the 167 hot lane but that's all integrated with the day-to-day operations that we perform.
Follow up on that, coordination with other components, do you open the hot lanes to all traffic if you have severe incidents that block the general purpose lane but not the hot lane.
Do you have different protocol for managing incidents on the route 167 corridor?
So basically, if there's an incident out there it comes out of the jurisdiction of Washington State patrol. They can decide how they want to operate that in the system. They'll call back to traffic management center
or they can direct there in the field.
So generally it works that way.
[ Indiscernible: Speaker/Audio faint and unclear]
Most of it is state patrol. Some of it may be to the operating engineers discretion as they go forward. I would also say they have manual override on the prices so the operator can set a price in if they see something.
We had a situation where algorithms would move up quickly when we started the system to a price but it came down very slowly. We found early on we had to do overrides to bring the price down faster. We addressed that at this point.
The next portion of the question is related to the transponders and tolerates and how does it work? How often are the rates adjusted or updated?
It's a five minute cycle as it goes through. It's looking at traffic for the full corridor. It's not looking at a specific location looking downstream to anticipate what the flows will be there. Put the price for the corridor.
That in a sense kind of smooth how that pricing is worked out. So instead of having a high point where there's really congestion we try to smooth that through. But as far as the relationship of is it 450 for a particular volume speed.
That's trial and error, I would say. We worked with our consultant what that range should be from 50 cents up to $9.
To make that match has been getting experience.
So the data that you put in to calculate your tolerate, is it base -- toll rate is it based on the relative realtime information
or do you use any rate adjustment to predict what would happen in the future to prevent any potentials for them?
The data that's coming in the loop from the field so it's realtime.
So for people having cancelled the transponder, one year can they cancel at any time or prepay or do they have any auto replenished --
The way we run our good to go program for both facilities. It's a 12-dollar transponder. 30-dollar deposit into an account. From that, you can have replenishment but it's a choice of the customer.
We encourage people to have replenishment so they don't get in a violation situation. What's interesting to me is it's $2.75 to go over the bridge. It take as while to go through $30.
If you have a number of 9-dollar transactions you'll go through $30 pretty quickly.
Keeping that up hasn't been a problem necessarily but that's the way we're set up.
You did mention the rate is updated every five minutes, you said?
Right.
Has there been any problem with the toll's ability to respond to heavy traffic condition?
Not on the go up part.
I was a little bit concerned we were coming -- dropping the price fast enough.
You stay up and you maybe say [ Indiscernible ] You kind of go why. There's not that much traffic. We made some of those adjustments as we've gone on.
The next group of questions is about the slide that you have the different type of vehicle using the facility. One of them is the question is of the Chevy and Ford vehicle how many are government owned vehicles?
We don't have any information like that. I will say that within the Department of Transportation, we have a policy that says department of transportation vehicles can not use the hot land.
Our secretary didn't want to get herself in to that. We don't have any of that information.
On the planning end, where transit operators consulted in the design phase?
[ Indiscernible: Speaker/Audio faint and unclear]
The answer to your question is yes.
The transit agencies participated in the planning and device phases.
Okay.
You have the most frequent used vehicles, [ Indiscernible ] Frequent violated vehicle?
No.
We don't.
Okay.
On the gee owe metric design, were the access points lengthens from 1000 to 1500 feet?
No. They've been running about a third of a mile or so. One of the access points, it was hard to describe but access -- highway 18 that ties in to 167.
Because of the transit routing and to get in to that one facility in we lengthened it to allow entrance in to it. What we find is that there's a sign up stream
and there's a began tree with a loop location downstream with these access points. You cannot move the loop at the began tree location. They are now embedded so what I try to do is lengthen them by going upstream
and removing the solid stripes to put in skip stripes.
The second question that -- it was saying in the location without access point, have you considered continual access in that location? It's pretty much have you considered with limited access,
have the planning ever consider a continual access facility that you can go in and out at any time and any point?
We thought about a number of different ways to do that. I'm a little bit concerned about mixing within a corridors those behaviors.
What people can be used to and having enforcement program that sticks. We thought about could you have a skip stripe that's transit only or something of that nature. Would that be viable? It gets a little bit confusing for the drivers.
We're throwing a lot at the motorists right now and to add more complexity to this, we have not modified that location.
Again, because it's gee owe metric site distances concerns of that nature. We have not taken action to change.
Okay. I this the question relate today violations. You kind of answered from later slides about the violation rate. We're going move in to safety questions. Was there any impact or any safety
or maintenance concerns after the lanes were narrowed?
No.
We probably -- numerous other states when we put the HOV lanes across [ Indiscernible ] Others here. We have gone from 12-foot lanes to 11-foot lanes. We predominantly have 11-foot lanes.
There is a little bit of concern this is a higher freight corridor but we have shoulders in the corridor too.
I don't think from a sideswipe or accident situation we haven't seen any indicators that the lane has been a concern.
Since your HOV lanes were continued access before and now changed to limited access, do you see any difference on the crashes at the access point?
No. Not with information that we have to date.
The corridor itself looks like it's going down. We tried to look at the actual access points. Todd here did some work through university of Washington looking at safety on the corridor too.
There's nothing at this point that there's a concern there. It's actually safer. Perception may be that it's powerful but it's interesting how the public is looking at it.
So do you notice any impact traffic volume in the general purpose lane?
Well the general purpose traffic has improved so the volumes have increased the speeds in general purpose lanes have increased. Right there is probably the biggest nugget we've come across, it's helping the whole corridor as a whole.
The question of equity, just by freeing up that space and allowing general purpose lanes to operate better.
You're able to use that as a total net benefit.
Do you see any changes on the transit users and the HOV users? Do they increase? Remain the same or reduce after?
Right. We've been monitoring our HOV lanes within the university of Washington to do that and we're continuing to do that because it's an important aspect to understand how the lanes influence that.
We really have not seen that so far in what we've been monitoring. I think the shifts of the volumes because of the economy here.
I have not heard any transit ridership changes necessarily on the rubber tired aspect. There's only one mayor route that goes up and down the freeway here. Next to this corridor is a computer rail.
Our commuter rail in this particular area has been wildly successful. They've been adding additional train sets in to the corridor and while the economy weren't through it's spin, the ridership on that corridor has increased dramatically.
That may account for some of this, but we -- again kind of depends on where your origins and destinations are on the trip.
I notice we're couple minutes past the hour. I get permission to go over 10 to 15 more minutes. I'm going to run through more questions. What is the current cost to collect the toll? With the collection of the toll,
do you have enough revenue to pay for O & M, like enforcement and also -- I.
I mentioned that earlier in comments.
We brought in a thousand dollars annually on -- $50,000 annually on the operations. Our cost is about 1.2 million to do all of the operations, maintenance, things of that nature that we're doing. We are not covering costs at that point.
That is going to be something that we're going to watch closely. We are working on trying to decrease our costs.
As I mentioned earlier getting a new back office contract here in Washington State will be a dramatic step forward as we do that. It's clear to me though, as you look at considering a hot lane operations here,
it depends a lot on your specific location across the country, whether you have a toll authority there in regional basis or state basis or how you are set up. Who does these operations and how costs are allocated.
It's not something that I think early on, I think the public and policy people would think about but something that's very important when you start to think about costs.
Right now, it seems like your presentation is saying that it's really great success in the hot lanes. Is there a concern that the HOV or transit user will take over and affect the revenue?
When do you expect that this facility will reach the capacity?
On this particular facility, I don't think there's an immediate concern at all. We had plenty of space to sell off for hot lanes
and we continue to have some space to sell off that's why our tolerates have been so reasonable -- toll rates. The way our algorithm works if we get to 9 dollars it flips over to 2 plus HOV only.
That's basically our default to go back to the original operating parameters.
However, that said, majority of our other routes, we are not meeting our performance standards with 2 plus HOV.
We're breaking down in the peak hours. It's a huge policy question for us and across the country.
We are then looking at do we go to 3 flu HOV and we -- 3 plus HOV. How do you do that and how you deal with that 2 plus car pool does that 2 plus car pool turn in to three plus or do they drop down to single occupant vehicles
and then what does that mean for greenhouse gases policies.
We want to have success on the 167 hot lanes to work with the public to have this corridor to be successful to take on a harder policy question in some of our other facilities that we have.
Okay.
You continue to monitor the facility.
Do you have any control corridor that you compare the changes in the region?
We basically the data coming off of our loops we've seen the presentation. We have the dual set so you get speed counts and volume counts an by lane up and down the corridor. Do we have controls? Clearly before
and after studies we've been doing this. Parallel to this is interstate 165 which is only two miles to the west of this particular area.
We've been tracking what the effect of HOV but also general purpose traffic has been on interstate 5 compared to 167 it's more anecdotal at this point. We've seen a little bit of drop, hardly measurable in our volumes.
On I5, while 167. So I guess I'd say loosely we have a control.
Okay. Back to some of the other questions. What is -- you mentioned there's a heavy freight ravel along this aero-- travel along this area.
What is the truck [ Indiscernible ] What trucks are allowed in the travel lanes?
The way we set this up was keeping the weight restriction so we have for HOV lanes which is 10,000-pounds.
So therefore any of the major freight cannot use the hot lanes.
The freight industry has not been that interested in using the hot lanes but they are interested in seeing the general purpose lanes working better because the HOV has been working efficiently.
We have been allowing -- broader usage but more single unit type vehicles as opposed to truck trailer or dual trailer type use of the corridor.
But I will say from the Department of Transportation stand point I'm having conversations with our secretary [ Indiscernible ] Dual express toll lanes. The aspect of moving people in good
and how you get that freight usage in there especially while many of these are on the left hand side.
That you are inducing to and from the lanes.
What are the inside and outside shoulder width?
[ Indiscernible ] 8 to 10 on the outside.
That was Tyler patterson.
Okay. I think I covered almost all the questions. Some of them are more technical. A little more detail. We're going to follow up on that.
With that, thank you Craig, I'm going to turn over to do the wrap up.
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Thank you all for your great questions and for participating.
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